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Ja Sagströmmin haastattelu käännetty niiden ProSilakka-sivuilta:
As the online poker players are awaiting the consequences of the new legislation, the Swedish poker scene are eagerly watching what appears to be a huge scandal unfold.
The main character in ”Ken-gate” is Ken Lennaárd. He is by far our most well known poker player. He is (was?) the chairman of the Swedish Poker Player Association, the spokes person of the government owned poker site, the poker columnist in the biggest newspaper in Scandinavia and the play by play announcer on the, if not the biggest but at least the best poker show here in Sweden.
His side kick in this mess is ....*pause for effect*... Russ Georgiev.
Yep, that´s right, Russ G, the tool from RGP.
It all started when Russ published this post on RGP this spring. He also posted numerous emails that he claimed was sent to him by Lennard.
The whole story is just to long to tell here but the (alleged) basic plot is that in 2003 Ken organized a private game in his family's hotel. He invited Martin DeKnijff, Christer Johansson (former winner EPT Paris) and Erik Sagström (Erik123) to play and told them that the game also would include an American billionaire that was a huge fish.
Ken and Russ then rigged a room in Ken's family's hotel in Stockholm. They set up cameras to see the hole cards and the hired dealer was a card mechanic. The plan was to cheat the three invited players.
The scam fell apart when Lennaárd was unable to get Sagstrom, DeKnijff and Johansson to the hotel. They where busy playing in another high limit game at a card club and did not want to leave that game.
There is a lot more details to this story, if you are interested I suggest you search the RGP forum.
It should be stated that Ken Lennaárd so far is denying the allegations. He has made two statements where he admits contact with Russ and where he says he was an idiot to even listen to this well known cheat. But that was as far as it went according to Lennaárd.
Both statements have been heavily criticized, they are intentionally very vague in language and never goes into details regarding what has happened.
It is an ”official secret” that the three supposed victims have confirmed their side of the story. The only one to do so in public however is Erik Sagström. He says that Ken called them numerous times the night in question and that some of the details in Georgiev's posts could not be known to someone that was not deeply involved. He also says that once the scam was made public by Russ G, Lennaárd contacted the players and confessed. There was an agreement made that Ken Lennaárd would write an official statement where he confessed and that he then would leave the Swedish poker scene for a long time. According to Sagström, Lennaárd later changed his mind and told the ”victims” that the deal was off and that he instead would deny all allegations and go on with his business as usual.
This story is far from over yet, and I am sure that some details will change as we get to know more about what really happened.
Ja Sagströmmin haastattelu käännetty niiden ProSilakka-sivuilta:
Q: What do you remember from that period?
Erik: I had become kind of a well known face, at least on the net and I was only playing texas limit holdem then.
I had met Ken Lennaard on a trip to Turkey where we had exchanged phonenumbers and etc.
During that period there were very good games online but they weren't very high.
So when Ken one day called me and asked if I wanted to take part in a game, that for security reasons would take place in Stockholm on his family's hotel, with an anonymous billionaire, I was of course very interested.
We were gonna play 1500-3000 limit holdem (SEK), which at that point would have been the highest I had ever played.
Ken made clear how big a fish the american was and that he would take contact to an unknown number of other well known players.
Everything felt good and trustworthy to me.
Q: When did Ken Lennaard first make contact with you?
Erik: A few weeks before it was going to take place.
Q: Following that contact, two weeks later, you were in Stockholm during the Swedish Championships. What happened then?
Erik: The whole Swedish elite (and certain non swedes) were there to play the Swedish Holdem Championship. I went out first hand I played and after a few hours a cash game got going in one of the other rooms. We paid a dealer who we could all trust.
It was 6 handed 1500-3000 and later 2000-4000 SEK.
We mixed it up and played holdem triple draw 2-7 and Omaha 8 or better.Those who played were Christer Johansson, Martin de Knijff and the danes Martin Vallö, Mads Andersen and Henrik Olsen. The game took place the entire week.
Ken called us and told us the game was ready on his hotel. That he had dealers you could trust and that the american was ready to play. From his point of view it was set to go.
Q: What was your initial reaction?
Erik: Personally I was pretty high on playing with the american. It was going to be straight limit holdem, which of course was better for me, and with the american playing we got a real fish in the game unlike the current game which was full of established players. I had hardly played some of the games either but had done well so far without in any way being a machine.
But at the same time when you play a private game like that one, it's of course good etiquette to listen to those who have been losing. And they're within their right to ask for the game to continue like it had been agreed from the start. And we were going to play all week and then do the score when everything was done.
Q: Were you in contact with the other intended players at this point?
Erik: Yes, since we were playing together 16 hours a day, I suppose you can so
Q: What was the mood amongst you?
Erik: Those who had been losing naturally wanted to continue and several did not want to play straight limit holdem either.
Then Ken kept calling and were very annoyed that we didn't keep our word cause he had tried really hard to set up this game. He was embarrassed in front of the American and things like that.
We offered to take the American here (Kortoxen) which would only be the natural thing in this situation. If he wanted to come have fun he was of course welcome. Kortoxen, for all who remember, was and is still today the club with the best security. Anyway it was the only thing we could offer.
Ken kept calling but it had the opposite effect of what he had in mind. Everyone's opinion turned more and more against him and I even recall that people started questioning why he was so desperate to get us there. Why should we drop everything for one lone american we had never even met?
What happened was that one day we decided to all say no to Ken regarding the game. Later that night Ken himself came down and as I've heard Christer Johansson say, throw a tantrum on him.
What is strange about Martin was that the day before he already had decided not to play and that Ken knew this all along.
Q: Why not just go to the hotel when it was such a favourable situation?
Erik: Believe it or not, after we had made up our minds it became something you just don't think about. It was simply another game that just didn't happen. Just like any other.
Q: How was your financial situation back then?
Erik: Things had been going well for a while but like I said earlier it was a very high game for me where I had to commit a substantial part of my bankroll.
If you feel that a game is very good but are still losing, you don't just give up. A game like that can more or less take your whole roll.
Q: And the other players?
Erik: It's impossible for me to speculate about other players private economy. All I can say is that De Knijff had won the Swedish Championship earlier that week.
Q: How did you hear about this story? That the game you were going to be part of was a scam?
Erik: People were asking me on msn. Initially I shrugged it off since they were asking if I had been cheated when playing a casino in Stockholm. I had never played in a casino there and I don't even know if one had opened. Then later in the evening I read what Russ had written and was shocked. He wrote stuff in his letter that no one realistically could know about unless they were deeply involved.
Q: You are the only one actually named in Russ letter. What did you think then?
Erik: Obviously you think that, you are the main target in the conspiracy.
Q: How did you take it?
Erik: First I was shocked more or less and then later of course angry. It's like when you're almost in a car crash. At first you don't think but then later after a while you start thinking, "what if".
Q: But you've played with Ken in different events/contexts following this. Why haven't you said anything then?
Erik: That was before the whole story came out. Now in retrospect it feels like a personal insult that he chose to "use" me and my name in those different situations.
Q: What was your reaction to Ken's letter (his denial)?
Erik: On the letter itself I didn't react much. He had already called Christer Johansson and hinted that he didn't like the compromise we had agreed on earlier (that he should come out and tell the truth himself). That everything had blown over and that everyone already knew the story. Including the papers he was writing for and the federation which he was working within and etc.
I was more angry when Christer told me this than when the letter itself showed up.
But the letter meant that his attitude was now public, which meant that those of us who knew what had really happened had no other choice than to come out and tell the truth since Ken himself apparently couldn't.
At the same time the letter is obviously very vague and poorly written.
Q: What's going to happen now?
Erik: For the sake of poker I hope that Ken comes out immediately and accepts responsibility.
Those who know me probably understand that I'm not one who gets down over anything that happens. You can't do that as a poker player. More sick stuff happen in a month as a poker player than it does in a lifetime for someone with an ordinary job.
Eventually you become immune to most stuff. The trouble is that when you're young and inexperienced you think positive or you want to think positive about everyone.
But for poker's reputation and my reputation I've chosen to talk about what happened during these turbulent months.
I think I've spend too much time and thinking about this which is something I didn't choose to do myself.
The truth is the truth and there is only one version of it.
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